From The Times,  Thu Feb 12 22:07:00 EST 2009

    Sri Lanka was accused yesterday of planning concentration camps to hold 200,000 ethnic Tamil refugees from its northeastern conflict zone for up to three years — and seeking funding for the project from Britain.

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If anyone wants to bring back the term 'Concentration camp', let's do so.

Let's call it concentration camps for people to live longer and happier than otherwise.


If the Tamil diaspora can attack Sri Lanka with long range artillery, 'Concentration camp' is their newest shell.

We have dealt with:

Discrimination
Oppression
Chauvinism
State Terrorism
Colonization
Genocide

Now  Concentration camps.

Can anyone list future shells?


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“The ministry in charge says that the camps, in Vavuniya and Mannar districts, will have schools, banks, parks and vocational centers to help to rehabilitate up to 200,000 displaced Tamils after a 25-year civil war”

Yes they are can be called camps. But what part of the world do have Concentration camps that provides all the basic needs and will have schools, banks, parks and vocational centers?

The proposed are not concentration camps but are resettlement camps. They are essential as
1)    The liberated civilians have no place to go; cannot bring to Tamil Nadu cannot ask refugee status in UK, Germany, France or any other foolish countries. Cannot go and live peacefully on their original property for well known reasons; their houses, land, properties are forcefully acquired, leased or looted by LTTE.
2)    There will be many hardcore LTTE carders among the liberated civilians. Many of them will be able to civilize by special programs and monitored till they are tamed. Can they be let lose as they are? They will fly out and ask for refugee status in other countries with an interior motive of getting the foreign citizenship and creating a bad name to Ceylon.
3)    The most of the civilian’s lands were converted to military training camps, torture chambers, ammunition factories with military infrastructure by LTTE. Those have to be reform to live by civilians, clear land mines, boom traps, and developed in a way that humans can live. What we saw during these few months are, Tigers were living like humans and human/civilians were asked/forced to live like animals.

These people under LTTE are not the same people in 30 years back. Most of them are brain washed by LTTE to hate all human kind except their leaders. For nearly 30 years they were shut out from the rest of the world. The innocent groups of Tamils in North of Ceylon are forced to fight to establish a Kingdom in Ceylon for . in the world. Failed in Fuji Islands, Failed in Ceylon and now is the time to find a better place in a more specious country. Good luck!

Any educated person or who has common sense will know that they have to be train and protected from LTTE influences until such time that they understand like the majority of the Tamils who live in other part of Ceylon including in Colombo.
 
These proposed camps does not sounds like well known Nazi concentration/death Camps nor like US concentration camps for Cherokee in 1830. They are not like British camps in South Africa in 1900.

Someone use a wrong word like the British used “concentration camps” for “Chinese New Villages” in Malaya which were really resettlement camps.

The authorities in Ceylon government must educate key players to avoid these misunderstandings in future.

sathya wrote:

“The ministry in charge says that the camps, in Vavuniya and Mannar districts, will have schools, banks, parks and vocational centers to help to rehabilitate up to 200,000 displaced Tamils after a 25-year civil war”

Yes they are can be called camps. But what part of the world do have Concentration camps that provides all the basic needs and will have schools, banks, parks and vocational centers?

The proposed are not concentration camps but are resettlement camps. They are essential as
1)    The liberated civilians have no place to go; cannot bring to Tamil Nadu cannot ask refugee status in UK, Germany, France or any other foolish countries. Cannot go and live peacefully on their original property for well known reasons; their houses, land, properties are forcefully acquired, leased or looted by LTTE.
2)    There will be many hardcore LTTE carders among the liberated civilians. Many of them will be able to civilize by special programs and monitored till they are tamed. Can they be let lose as they are? They will fly out and ask for refugee status in other countries with an interior motive of getting the foreign citizenship and creating a bad name to Ceylon.
3)    The most of the civilian’s lands were converted to military training camps, torture chambers, ammunition factories with military infrastructure by LTTE. Those have to be reform to live by civilians, clear land mines, boom traps, and developed in a way that humans can live. What we saw during these few months are, Tigers were living like humans and human/civilians were asked/forced to live like animals.

These people under LTTE are not the same people in 30 years back. Most of them are brain washed by LTTE to hate all human kind except their leaders. For nearly 30 years they were shut out from the rest of the world. The innocent groups of Tamils in North of Ceylon are forced to fight to establish a Kingdom in Ceylon for . in the world. Failed in Fuji Islands, Failed in Ceylon and now is the time to find a better place in a more specious country. Good luck!

Any educated person or who has common sense will know that they have to be train and protected from LTTE influences until such time that they understand like the majority of the Tamils who live in other part of Ceylon including in Colombo.
 
These proposed camps does not sounds like well known Nazi concentration/death Camps nor like US concentration camps for Cherokee in 1830. They are not like British camps in South Africa in 1900.

Someone use a wrong word like the British used “concentration camps” for “Chinese New Villages” in Malaya which were really resettlement camps.

The authorities in Ceylon government must educate key players to avoid these misunderstandings in future.

Your statement shows the Ruler mentality:
The statements below were written by you:

1. The liberated civilians have no place to go
You sinhalease are bunch of jokers, Recently you were showing to the world that thousands of fellow Tamils in the north were protesting in support of the government in Jaffna. You are settling not in Jaffna but in Vavuniya so that they will besurrounded by sinhalease and could get them killed easily.

2.to help to rehabilitate up to 200,000 displaced Tamils after a 25-year civil war
Cannot go and live peacefully on their original property for well known reasons (destroyed by the sinhala forces from the air and ground)

These people under LTTE are not the same people in 30 years back. Most of them are brain washed by LTTE to hate all human kind except their leaders. For nearly 30 years they were shut out from the rest of the world.

They did not need any rehabilitation during the ceasefire and the sinhala people were able to visit the north without any fear.
All the hate is because the Sinhala governments systematic killing of Tamils to promote and enforce Sinhala budhists rule in Tamil areas against the will of the majority Tamils.
They not the same people 30 years ago because they were bombed, killed and tortured by the sinhala forces repeatedly.

Why dont you put a barbed wire around the sinhala communities and protect them from harm and liberate them from the Sinhala Budhist mentality of preaching Srilanka belongs to Sinhala Budhists only.
You have saints like Karuna Amman who will go and preach them in the Sinhala concentration camps in the south.

The most of the civilian’s lands were converted to military training camps, torture chambers, ammunition factories by the Sinhala military now.

Tamils were forced to live like animals by the sinhala forces not by the LTTE. Tamils are their own people.
If you repeat the same lies again and again they will not become the truth.
Not allowing the independent reporters in that area is to tell the world what the sinhala government wants to hear only. Not the ground reality where the Tamils were made to suffer by the sinhala forces actions. LTTE is just defending their territory.
Sinhla forces are the ones advancing in to tamil Territories to cause pain and suffering to the Tamil people.

I whole heartedly agree with your satement:

The innocent groups of Tamils in North of Ceylon are forced to fight to establish a Kingdom in Ceylon for

I wouldnt worry about the barbed wire or what anyone says about it. Even if they built a two-inch-high concrete wall, someone would have shouted like this anyway .

Wire is the easiest material that a poor 3rd world country can use to demarcate an area. There was plenty of it in the old days in Colombo before everyone started building 12-foot concrete walls.

Those who are living there and have legitimate business can come and go thru the gate.. just like in any house. Those who are engaged in unlawful activity will have to jump the fence - also just like in any house.

proximus wrote:

I wouldnt worry about the barbed wire or what anyone says about it. Even if they built a two-inch-high concrete wall, someone would have shouted like this anyway .

Wire is the easiest material that a poor 3rd world country can use to demarcate an area. There was plenty of it in the old days in Colombo before everyone started building 12-foot concrete walls.

Those who are living there and have legitimate business can come and go thru the gate.. just like in any house. Those who are engaged in unlawful activity will have to jump the fence - also just like in any house.

Then why don't you put the whole government control sinhala south by barbed wire so that only who have leigitimate business can come and go. Let the Tamils live freely in the south.
You want the tamils to be caged so that you could control them the way you want. Sinhala regime does not understand what freedom means.

peace4all wrote:

proximus wrote:

I wouldnt worry about the barbed wire or what anyone says about it. Even if they built a two-inch-high concrete wall, someone would have shouted like this anyway .

Wire is the easiest material that a poor 3rd world country can use to demarcate an area. There was plenty of it in the old days in Colombo before everyone started building 12-foot concrete walls.

Those who are living there and have legitimate business can come and go thru the gate.. just like in any house. Those who are engaged in unlawful activity will have to jump the fence - also just like in any house.

Then why don't you put the whole government control sinhala south by barbed wire so that only who have leigitimate business can come and go. Let the Tamils live freely in the south.
You want the tamils to be caged so that you could control them the way you want. Sinhala regime does not understand what freedom means.

I, personally, dont fancy this idea of  putting Tamils into camps for an extended period of time. Not only that, I thikn this plan will sure fail, simply becuase the government cant sustain the financial burden for maintaining these facilities.

But, peace4all, what is your understanding of freedom . You thikn the people coming out of Wanni were enjoying freedom all these years?
They were under brutal oppression all these years. Their kids were afraid of going to school, they might be kidnapped by Piraba's thugs. The parents didnt have freedom to keep their children in their own house. The parents didn't even have the freedom to choose which child they want to 'give-up' for your freedom struggle .

All these people want now, is to live free of fear. Free from fearing some thug will come and grab a child for the freedom fight.
The parents can send thier kids to school, knowing very well the child they sent to school will come back in the evening.

If you don't have the basic freedom of protecting your own child, what freedom you want to have?

Tamil people in Wanni are coming out in large numbers, despite LTTE's attempts to stop them, despite the threat of getting killed by LTTE.
These Tamils are doing so, beacuse they know very well, that life under the army, even in the camps, would be far better.

And Tamils in the west are protesting, crying out genocide and all, beacuse these Tamils know very well, that the days of LTTE is coming to an end.

Among the civilians who are escaping from the LTTE clutches are Tiger cadres and strong activists. The presence of the suicide bomber who came with civilians and blew herself up recently at an IDP site should be a good enough evidence to support this action. The government needs to protect the population from these maniacs. Only acceptable way of doing that is to isolate and identify these dangerous elements before the innocents are allowed out.

Peace4”all,” instead of your racist ranting (your spots are becoming visible) such as “You sinhalease are bunch of jokers…” - try to provide a practical solution to ease this burden. Now, don’t say the solution is stopping this campaign against the LTTE, because that will certainly not happen. Also don’t say things such as “All the hate is because the Sinhala governments systematic killing of Tamils to promote and enforce Sinhala budhists rule in Tamil areas against the will of the majority Tamils. They not the same people 30 years ago because they were bombed, killed and tortured by the sinhala forces repeatedly”. If you don’t know those statements of yours were untrue then you are completely ignorant of the facts or brainwashed by the Tiger propaganda beyond redemption. It is also possible that you could be a Tiger propagandist as what you write is exactly the opposite of your pseudonym, Peace4all, supposed to convey.

peace4all wrote:

Then why don't you put the whole government control sinhala south by barbed wire so that only who have leigitimate business can come and go. Let the Tamils live freely in the south.
You want the tamils to be caged so that you could control them the way you want. Sinhala regime does not understand what freedom means.

Oh.. boo! hoo !! So Sad !  

But think about it - Conceptually, We do have a kind of barbed wire, as does any country in the world. People who have legitimate business DO come and go like when you came for a vacation, remember ? They are called "Borders" and "Immigration". The US has Border Patrol, Coast Guard and something called Minutemen patrolling both the Mexico and Canada borders. Canada has the Immigration and the CBSA, is it ? . The US also has a very long concrete, razor-wire, electric and manned fence along it's border with Mexico. Between the LTTE and the rest of the country, the LTTE have a fence called a "Civilian Shield". The Government have a fence called the "Forward Defence Line". In Colombo, many people have 12-foot concrete walls around their property, topped by wire and glass.

So you see P4A, there are fences everywhere. Some are physical, some are legal and some are in the mind, like yours

Besides, I don't want a Tamil who has ostensibly escaped from the LTTE  to turn out to have been a human bomb planted by them and be able to walk out of a camp just like that in the rest of the country. I am sure you understand - Better safe than sorry. Even your Democratic Canda has some kind of place where they hold people to be deported, do they not ? In Mimico or someplace like that ?

These are preliminary moves and it's still a region technically under war,
where fleeing civilians are being shot at by dracula Pirabakara's men.

The propagandists talking about the state camps
in the same vein as concentration camps of Auschwitz is too much ..

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But, peace4all, what is your understanding of freedom . You thikn the people coming out of Wanni were enjoying freedom all these years?
They were under brutal oppression all these years. Their kids were afraid of going to school, they might be kidnapped by Piraba's thugs. The parents didnt have freedom to keep their children in their own house. The parents didn't even have the freedom to choose which child they want to 'give-up' for your freedom struggle .

For a moment think about the place they are coming to:

In The sinhala south Tamils face all the above mentioned in a large scale carried out by sinhala forces and the by the killing squads on the government payroll.
It is a well known fact that:
Brutal oppression
Killing of school children and university students
Kidnapping by the government supported groups of children
were happening on a rugular basis.

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All these people want now, is to live free of fear. Free from fearing some thug will come and grab a child for the freedom fight.

You are absolutey right and they had all the above under peace accord. The sinhala government is the one that had wanted to destroy the tamil areas by bombing and advancing their forces.
You could also offer all the above mentioned freedom by leaving the north and east and let the Tamils decide their future.

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The parents can send thier kids to school, knowing very well the child they sent to school will come back in the evening.If you don't have the basic freedom of protecting your own child, what freedom you want to have?

While you seem to be really worrying about these kids did you ever think how the cluster bombs, multi-barrel attacks help these kids in the north and east.

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Tamil people in Wanni are coming out in large numbers, despite LTTE's attempts to stop them, despite the threat of getting killed by LTTE.These Tamils are doing so, beacuse they know very well, that life under the army, even in the camps, would be far better.

They are coming out due to bombardment from the sinhala cowards who are dropping the bombs indiscriminately. Tamils know what kind of suspicion, torture and killing will happen from these detention camps.

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And Tamils in the west are protesting, crying out genocide and all, beacuse these Tamils know very well, that the days of LTTE is coming to an end

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Whether it was LTTE in power or another group in power, it is natural to raise your voice and protest when your own blood is suffering in the hands of the Sinhala state.

You could not protect your Sinhala jornalists who were puting their opposition on paper and watched a TV station burnt and now you are trying to protect the Tamil children.

Do you know how many Tamil children, youth and their parents were killed systematically by your sinhala killing squads in the north and east.

My understanding of freedom is the freedom to disagree. If you claim that LTTE is not giving that option to the Tamils, Did the Sinhala government offer that to the Tamils ???
Even your own sinhalease were killed by unknown persons in high security zones for disagreeing with the government.

People and governments who wants to enjoy freedom should give the same freedom to all their citizens not to the sinhala budhist citizens who will tow their line only.

[quote="We_are_one"]Among the civilians who are escaping from the LTTE clutches are Tiger cadres and strong activists. The presence of the suicide bomber who came with civilians and blew herself up recently at an IDP site should be a good enough evidence to support this action. The government needs to protect the population from these maniacs. Only acceptable way of doing that is to isolate and identify these dangerous elements before the innocents are allowed out.

Peace4”all,” instead of your racist ranting (your spots are becoming visible) such as “You sinhalease are bunch of jokers…” - try to provide a practical solution to ease this burden. Now, don’t say the solution is stopping this campaign against the LTTE, because that will certainly not happen. Also don’t say things such as “All the hate is because the Sinhala governments systematic killing of Tamils to promote and enforce Sinhala budhists rule in Tamil areas against the will of the majority Tamils. They not the same people 30 years ago because they were bombed, killed and tortured by the sinhala forces repeatedly”. If you don’t know those statements of yours were untrue then you are completely ignorant of the facts or brainwashed by the Tiger propaganda beyond redemption. It is also possible that you could be a Tiger propagandist as what you write is exactly the opposite of your pseudonym, Peace4all, supposed to convey.[/quote]

Yes true, I apologige for making a generalised statement but in that context I was referring to the Sinhala people who have the same view as Sathya and once again my intention was to refer to the People like sathya, my sincere aplologies.
I myself has quoted Sinhalease who were supporting the views by moderate tamils who want the same freedom that was given to the Sinhalease.

When I went back and checked my original posting someone had changed it to :red

1. The liberated civilians have no place to go
You sinhalease are [color=red]bunch [/color]of [color=red]jokers[/color], Recently you were showing to the world that thousands of fellow Tamils in the north were protesting in support of the government in Jaffna. You are settling not in Jaffna but in Vavuniya so that they will besurrounded by sinhalease and could get them killed easily.

If you are one of the moderators who changed the colour to red I would like to know why the moderators use different standards for different forumers.

When I say "You Sinhalease" or "Sinhala Budhists" it is not deragatory as I am intentionally referring to the Sinhalease or Sinhala Budhists to show that we are disagreeing on several issues because of the ethnic divide.
The Prominance given to the Sinhala language and Budhist Relegion and make the Sinhala Budhists as more equals or the chosen people of Srilanka is the root cause problem.

If you want to have that way give us the Tamil areas to tamils to have a Tamil rule in those areas.

I will stand by my statement about the hate that prevails in the Sinhala community that does not want to give devolution to the Tamils of the north and East. If the Sinhalease do not have a hate towards the Tamils would you celebrate the victory of Tamil areas after bombing and shelling for weeks and months.
When did the Sinhalease respect the Majority Tamil presence in the north and east of Srilanka. Isn't it a systematic plan by the sinhala leaders to destroy  the continouous tamil region of the north and eastern provinces ???

I have never said that the Sinhala majority should bow down to violence that will threaten the security of the Sinhala south. By the same standard you should have allowed the Tamil majority of the North and East to enjoy their majority staus.
Go and check the recent history and see what kind of actions were carried out by the Sinhala majority to crush the aspirations of the Tamils.

Are you not shameful to have a name We are one, when you feel and act as one and consider Tamils as equals you will not dump tons of bombs on Tamils heads.

Yes I am living in Canada and left Srilanka as I could not take a gun and shoot another person.
Whta sinhalease want is Peace 4 sinhalease but I want is peace 4 all and only way the Peace 4 sinhalease can be achieved is to offer peace 4 tamils in the north and east.

I have never enjoyed or celebrated when a bomb went off in the south killing innocent civillians. I am angry and helpless as the Sinhala government is directly responsible for large scale destruction of Tamils as we Tamils do not have the same jets or Tanks to fight the sinhala defence establishment. If the tamils had that we do not need LTTE.

>>Yes I am living in Canada and left Srilanka as I could not take a gun and shoot another person.

mm.. but you want others to take gun and shoot other people and kidnap other people's children ( not yours )
and keep committing terrorism day in and day out.

>>Whta sinhalease want is Peace 4 sinhalease but I want is peace 4 all and only way the
Peace 4 sinhalease can be achieved is to offer peace 4 tamils in the north and east. .

.. and the only way peace 4 tamils in the north and east can be achieved is to change track,
away from dracula Pirabakaran style of terrorism and join mainstream..

come on.. be a winning minority..  look at Sindhis in India, they don't have a state and
 their number is same as that of Sri Lankan Tamils. They are spread all over.. they are among
the most enterprising and prosperous groups in India. There are many such communities all over
the world. Move on peacefully and prosper.

rm7000 wrote:

>>Yes I am living in Canada and left Srilanka as I could not take a gun and shoot another person.

mm.. but you want others to take gun and shoot other people and kidnap other people's children ( not yours )
and keep committing terrorism day in and day out.

>>Whta sinhalease want is Peace 4 sinhalease but I want is peace 4 all and only way the
Peace 4 sinhalease can be achieved is to offer peace 4 tamils in the north and east. .

.. and the only way peace 4 tamils in the north and east can be achieved is to change track,
away from dracula Pirabakaran style of terrorism and join mainstream..

come on.. be a winning minority..  look at Sindhis in India, they don't have a state and
 their number is same as that of Sri Lankan Tamils. They are spread all over.. they are among
the most enterprising and prosperous groups in India. There are many such communities all over
the world. Move on peacefully and prosper.

mmmmmmmmmmm...
You are in the US and do not mind Sinhala army dropping tons of Bombs on Tamils and kill them
You do not mind sending Sinhala death squads to kill innocent tamils

you want others to take gun and shoot other people and kidnap other people's children
Exactly, because the children who are killed in the hands of sinhala forces are not yours who are advancing with a racist agenda. Sinhalease are so greedy they cannot tolerate a tamil region on the island which is rightfully theirs for thousands of years.

Dont be a person who is whinning about the development and prosperity in the Tamils areas. Sinhalease were the ones who brought Sinhala only act, colonisation schemes in Tamil areas and the standardisation to bring more underqualified sinhalease for higer education.

The right way should have been to bring the Sinhala regions to produce the the same level of bright students. Tamils were not born with a higher level of brain.

Tamils were prospering in their regions and why should you expect us to loose our majority status in those provinces by the actions of a racist Sinhala government. If you expect us the majority right in the south to bring a government of your choice should you give the same right to the majority of the Tamils in the north and east. In the early 80's even after the colonisation in Tamil areas with the Sinhalease they voted 82% in favour of an autonomous region/separation for Tamils. Isn't that a good enough reason to respect ???
The sinhala regimes were the ones introduced violence in Tamils by the actions against initial protest. Instead of being in the US why dont you go and be responsible for the killing of more Tamils in Srilanka by joining the US citizens like Gothabaya ???.  Do you know he has genocide charges against him in the US now.

If you let us separate peacefully there will be real peace on both sides. We Tamils do not want to fight for ever, give us the freedom of separation we have been asking for years that was only given to the Sinhala BUdhists after they left.

rm7000 wrote:

>>Yes I am living in Canada and left Srilanka as I could not take a gun and shoot another person.

mm.. but you want others to take gun and shoot other people and kidnap other people's children ( not yours ) and keep committing terrorism day in and day out.

That's a great point RM7000, but this war is just about finished.  The only people who want to continue fighting are living far away like p4all and can only talk about fighting.  It's funny to hear p4all talking about having "backbone" when he clearly has none.


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