today.reuters.com,  Fri Mar 24 08:41:15 EST 2006

    COLOMBO (Reuters) - Sri Lanka's military and Tamil Tiger rebels are both re-arming even as they prepare for a new round of talks in Switzerland, the army chief said on Friday, saying the 2002 ceasefire has too many loopholes.

Violence in Sri Lanka's minority Tamil-dominated north and east pushed the island to the brink of war in January but has fallen off sharply since the two sides agreed to hold their first direct talks since 2003. But Lieutenant General Sarath Fonseka said both sides were continuing to prepare for battle.

"I know they are building up the capacity of their military," he said of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE).

"I don't know that they can build up their forces and be serious about peace. We also are building our forces. But building up a legitimate army is very different from building up a terrorist force."
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why speak to a terrorist group who has no support frm the thamil mass
Then go ahead and wipe them out. why wait sovereign govenments make sovereign decisions

SRICANADA wrote:

why speak to a terrorist group who has no support frm the Tamil mass
Then go ahead and wipe them out. why wait sovereign govenments make sovereign decisions

Because the GOSL and Sinhalas understand that a return to war to "wipe out" the LTTE will mean that a good deal of civilians, most of whom will be Tamilians,  will be victims.

Of course, sitting in Canada, this is probably not of the slightest importance or consequence to you, right ?

Regrettably, your generous contributions to The Great Cause have yet to provide you with any kind of ROI in terms of a separate state or Eelam and it's understandable that you must be getting impatient for the LTTE to show some kind of results for the monies they sucked up from you.

But let me congratulate you and contributor hanumanth on your generosity with the lives of your Tamilian bretheren still stuck in the Vanni and elsewhere.. I am sure they would take much comfort in the knowledge that their more fortunate brothers living in the West are so eager to sacrifice them in a "military solution" in which they themselves, living in the West, have not the slightest intention of taking part.

LTTE high rankers only job is full time war. For 30 years or so they are in thr WAR ROOM.

GOSL should call again previous SLA commanders who were successful in the war and should prepare a WAr council.

Vanni tamil civilinas also should be informed, it is not good them to be there.

proximus wrote:

SRICANADA wrote:

why speak to a terrorist group who has no support frm the Tamil mass
Then go ahead and wipe them out. why wait sovereign govenments make sovereign decisions

Because the GOSL and Sinhalas understand that a return to war to "wipe out" the LTTE will mean that a good deal of civilians, most of whom will be Tamilians,  will be victims.

Of course, sitting in Canada, this is probably not of the slightest importance or consequence to you, right ?

Regrettably, your generous contributions to The Great Cause have yet to provide you with any kind of ROI in terms of a separate state or Eelam and it's understandable that you must be getting impatient for the LTTE to show some kind of results for the monies they sucked up from you.

But let me congratulate you and contributor hanumanth on your generosity with the lives of your Tamilian bretheren still stuck in the Vanni and elsewhere.. I am sure they would take much comfort in the knowledge that their more fortunate brothers living in the West are so eager to sacrifice them in a "military solution" in which they themselves, living in the West, have not the slightest intention of taking part.

Ok, lets think proximus's way. what do you expect from tamils (tamilians?)? let all tamils go against LTTE, and wait for a good future in SL.
What if Champika Ranawaka become the next president of SL?
may be people like proximus can fight against Champika Ranwaka and give tamils (or tamilians) a federal state to live in peace. Champika Ranwaka is in SL like all tamils like us and he wants the war, the JVP and the army chief too. The problem is people in Wanni doesnot read LA (even they have internet) and they know what is reality to write here their desires. Also people in rural south too don't write here most of the time. AND no one of them wants the war except JVP/JHU and this army Chief etc.  You will add ltte to this list probably yes, because they waited for 4 years. As you say them as terrorist, if the terrorist can wait for 4 years and the south still want to go to war (and no soulution in GOSL's hands, have they?) they may have no option.

Please tell me what do you expect from tamils?

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SRICANADA wrote:

why speak to a terrorist group who has no support frm the T
But let me congratulate you and contributor hanumanth on your generosity with the lives of your Tamilian bretheren still stuck in the Vanni and elsewhere.. I am sure they would take much comfort in the knowledge that their more fortunate brothers living in the West are so eager to sacrifice them in a "military solution" in which they themselves, living in the West, have not the slightest intention of taking part.

my friend so what are you trying to say talk to the terrorist. and give them what they want. where were
you when tamils were beaten every year till the 83. we the tamils today stand up heads up because of our tigers. we the tamils are for negociated federal solution but if you play with the fire it will burn you one day. dont worry about the tamil people i see and feel you heart bleding for the tamils. so what are you going to do save the tamils frm tigers and give them to the jvp jhu. contributing is not a crime doing nothing is a crime. stop talk about wiping the tiger or crying for the tamil childrens or their parents.Do some thing to save you lanka

SRICANADA wrote:

my friend so what are you trying to say talk to the terrorist. and give them what they want....

Correct me if I am wrong but is that not what the LTTE and GOSL are doing right now ? Talking ? Do you object to this ? If so, why not convey this to the LTTE leadership.

SRICANADA wrote:

we the tamils today stand up heads up because of our tigers. we the tamils are for negociated federal solution

I can see you are safely standing very tall in Canada.   If you are for a "negotiated federal solution", what's all this war talk about wiping out the LTTE that you are spouting ?

SRICANADA wrote:

Dont worry about the tamil people i see and feel you heart bleding for the tamils. so what are you going to do save the tamils frm tigers and give them to the jvp jhu.

Sorry - no can oblige. Obviously since you don't worry too much about the SL Tamilians, someone has to. It's supremely ironic that the only people who seem to have any  concern about the true SL Tamilians seem to be the GOSL and Sinhalas.

SRICANADA wrote:

contributing is not a crime doing nothing is a crime.

Selling your people to the LTTE is also a crime.

SRICANADA wrote:

stop talk about wiping the tiger or crying for the tamil childrens or their parents.Do some thing to save you lanka

If I recall, you are the one who brought up the idea of "wiping out" the LTTE.  If nothing else, try to have some consistency in your posting

AnuD wrote:

LTTE high rankers only job is full time war. For 30 years or so they are in thr WAR ROOM.

GOSL should call again previous SLA commanders who were successful in the war and should prepare a WAr council.

Vanni tamil civilinas also should be informed, it is not good them to be there.

Yes , LTTE's job is full time war. That's what the Tamils also want from them.
It is not like SL the commanders, part-time fighting and full time Fish business, selling fuel in black market, getting commission in arms deals etc. Oh! even fulltime running away from the army(AWOL)!!!!!
I'm hearing from a lot of sources, including SL gov. that the LTTE is also running a parallel administration while they are not in fulltime war. For more info. go to www.openyoureyes.com!!! (just jokeing!!!)

Calling back successfull commanders???? NON EXISTING!!! Don't waste time here.
All previous commanders are either became business men( supplies outdated food to even their own army) arms dealers who supplies outdated arms or hiding under diplomatic assignment.
Why? because they are UN-SUCCESSFULL!

Don't worry, not only Vanni Tamils but the Sinhalese also are being informed everyday! about uncurrupted police, quick judiciary, etc!

raguna wrote:

[quote=".

Yes , LTTE's job is full time war. That's what the Tamils also want from them.
It is not like SL the commanders, part-time fighting and full time Fish business, selling fuel in black market, getting commission in arms deals etc. Oh! even fulltime running away from the army(AWOL)!!!!!
I'm hearing from a lot of sources, including SL gov. that the LTTE is also running a parallel administration while they are not in fulltime war. For more info. go to www.openyoureyes.com!!! (just jokeing!!!)

Calling back successfull commanders???? NON EXISTING!!! Don't waste time here.
All previous commanders are either became business men( supplies outdated food to even their own army) arms dealers who supplies outdated arms or hiding under diplomatic assignment.
Why? because they are UN-SUCCESSFULL!

Don't worry, not only Vanni Tamils but the Sinhalese also are being informed everyday! about uncurrupted police, quick judiciary, etc![/quote]

Raguna:

withoput a parallel administration, there won't be people there. Without people, LTTE high rankers will not have a human barrier to cover them.

In otherwords, without the parallel administration, by now, LTTE is history.

DO YOU ACCEPT THAT.

IF TAMILS WON'T WAR. THAT IS GOOD. WAIT A FEW MORE YEARS TO SEE RESULTS. SOMEHOW, YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IS SAFE THERE. DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY. IT IS THE OTHERS TAMILS THAT GET SCREWED UP.

AnuD wrote:

raguna wrote:

[quote=".

Yes , LTTE's job is full time war. That's what the Tamils also want from them.
It is not like SL the commanders, part-time fighting and full time Fish business, selling fuel in black market, getting commission in arms deals etc. Oh! even fulltime running away from the army(AWOL)!!!!!
I'm hearing from a lot of sources, including SL gov. that the LTTE is also running a parallel administration while they are not in fulltime war. For more info. go to www.openyoureyes.com!!! (just jokeing!!!)

Calling back successfull commanders???? NON EXISTING!!! Don't waste time here.
All previous commanders are either became business men( supplies outdated food to even their own army) arms dealers who supplies outdated arms or hiding under diplomatic assignment.
Why? because they are UN-SUCCESSFULL!

Don't worry, not only Vanni Tamils but the Sinhalese also are being informed everyday! about uncurrupted police, quick judiciary, etc!

Raguna:

withoput a parallel administration, there won't be people there. Without people, LTTE high rankers will not have a human barrier to cover them.

In otherwords, without the parallel administration, by now, LTTE is history.

DO YOU ACCEPT THAT.

IF TAMILS WON'T WAR. THAT IS GOOD. WAIT A FEW MORE YEARS TO SEE RESULTS. SOMEHOW, YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IS SAFE THERE. DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY. IT IS THE OTHERS TAMILS THAT GET SCREWED UP.[/quote]

What do you mean by 'withoput a parallel administration, there won't be people there'.
In the same token do you the agree that the SL administration is in south so there can be people, then the SL Politicians /Army etc is using SL people as human barrier?

"If no parallel administration, by now, LTTE is history! "

If so, you allowed the parrellel admin so LTTE can survive? What a concern for LTTE's survival!
Go tell this to poor Army guys who are running away from the army (according to the last count it is about 50,000!).

"DO YOU ACCEPT THAT."

NO!! I DON'T ACCEPT THAT. I'm not that naive to accept this crazy theory!

So you need two more years? Hmmmmm! remember JRJ , his nephiew Bull Weerathunga and the famous 6 months rule! Then Rajiv Ghandhi , Maj.Gen.Sundarji and the 48hour rule! One more , CBK ,his uncle Rathwatta and bus to Vanni rule!
You took 20 years already. Ok have two more years, big deal!

THE_ACA_USR wrote:

what do you expect from tamils (tamilians?)? let all tamils go against LTTE, and wait for a good future in SL.

You know as well as anyone else here that ALL Tamilians (Tamils) will not go against the LTTE. Some will continue to support them for one reason or another. What I would like to see is that Tamilians be represented according to their own desires and not the desires of the LTTE or indeed, the GOSL. I realise I may be preaching to the converted here but no one can tell me that there is no variety of opinion within the Tamilian people. Tell me, can an independent Tamilian politician ever think of appearing in SL today without significant threat to their life by the LTTE ? Can any Tamilian think of openly supporting such a candidate without the same threat ?

Who says you have to "wait" ? Tamilians need not wait for anything - but that does not mean everyone gets to go around blowing up people and places in the name of "what we want" either. The presence of the LTTE has played a positive role in etching into the GOSL psyche that the Tamilians are serious about their demands but I've said before that the continued domination of the LTTE over the Tamilian people in it's present form will become a hindrance to them realising their goals - if it has not become so already

I would like to refer to a very pertinent question that Taraki asked elsewhere.. "What positive thing has the LTTE delivered to the SL Tamilians so far ?" No one has been able to answer this and judging from the post that raguna has made above viz. "The LTTE's business is war & the Tamilians want the LTTE to make war", it seems highly unlikely that anyone will be able to do so.

THE_ACA_USR wrote:

What if Champika Ranawaka become the next president of SL?

Prefer not to play What If's.... - suffice it to say that it will be bad for everyone.

THE_ACA_USR wrote:

the terrorist can wait for 4 years and the south still want to go to war

You should have included "South can wait for 4 years and the terrorist still want to go to war..." as well because that is what is indicated by the latest round of contributions being gathered around the world., for the Final War.

THE_ACA_USR wrote:

may be people like proximus can fight against Champika Ranwaka and give tamils (or tamilians) a federal state to live in peace.

Who can opt for this choice here ? The choice that the GOSL has been given is "Separate State" or "War".. So tell me then., who can or will have the guts to accept a Federal Solution or indeed, any kind of acceptable solution on behalf of the Tamilians.

THE_ACA_USR wrote:

Please tell me what do you expect from tamils?

Perhaps too much.



Last edited by proximus on Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:19 am; edited 2 times in total

In my opinion, these are the people who desperately need war to continue for ever:

1. those who receive commisions from arms deals;
2. those who get the shares by approving deals;
3. those who want huge amount of money to educate their children in the UK and other western countries;
4. internationally convicted criminals who have no escape other than the war;
5. those who are scared of facing the democracy to come to power;
6. those who are not ready to sacrifice their luxury lifestyle.

Can we sensibly put JVP and JHU under above categories?
I have seen Champika Ranawaka's name few times but to the best of our knowledge, he is an exteremly insignificant figure in SL politics and talking about him will be a waste of time.


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raguna wrote:

Yes , LTTE's job is full time war. That's what the Tamils also want from them.
It is not like SL the commanders, part-time fighting and full time Fish business, selling fuel in black market, getting commission in arms deals etc. Oh! even fulltime running away from the army(AWOL)!!!!!

Thanks for pointing this out. GoSL must admit THIS IS ALL TRUE!! Take the necessary steps to fix these ASAP. No soldier will fight under corrupt and failed generals. any wonder theres mass desertions?  Why is Sadagiri still in active service? Why is the Police chief who conveniently dismiss widespread police corruption and ineffective policing still in service? No time to get sentimental and lenient on leeches such as this. Security of the nation is more important than a carrier of few corrupt generals. Also don’t forget, It was AFTER Gen. Fonseka’s appointment, a defence ministry official spilled the beans about major deficiencies in military strategy and planning.  It was AFTER Admiral Karannagoda's appointment, a Dvora was sunk. The sinking of the Dvora could have been avoided. Why is GoSL appointing people and expect things to work without any oversight. Instead of depending on few generals why not focus on building a strong military establishment? Are the battle drills specialised to combat LTTE attack tactics? Or are we still depending on outdated military tactics left behind by the British? How is it that Iqbal Athas of Sunday Times can reveal sensitive military information in his defence column? How is it that the defence ministry careless enough to let in a LTTE mole into the govt delegation to India? How is it that LTTE can take out key military personnel in the intelligence service? How is it that 200 special commando unit failed to stop the assassination of the foreign minister? GoSL need to do a thorough clean up its back yard for the next phase of the war. Traitors must face firing squad.  Meticulous planning and execution is the key to winning the war. Don’t read too much into negative LTTE propaganda on how LTTE cannot be defeated militarily. It can be done.  



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proximus wrote:

You know as well as anyone else here that ALL Tamilians (Tamils) will not go against the LTTE. Some will continue to support them for one reason or another. What I would like to see is that Tamilians be represented according to their own desires and not the desires of the LTTE or indeed, the GOSL. I realise I may be preaching to the converted here but no one can tell me that there is no variety of opinion within the Tamilian people. Tell me, can an independent Tamilian politician ever think of appearing in SL today without significant threat to their life by the LTTE ? Can any Tamilian think of openly supporting such a candidate without the same threat ?

Who says you have to "wait" ? Tamilians need not wait for anything - but that does not mean everyone gets to go around blowing up people and places in the name of "what we want" either. The presence of the LTTE has played a positive role in etching into the GOSL psyche that the Tamilians are serious about their demands but I've said before that the continued domination of the LTTE over the Tamilian people in it's present form will become a hindrance to them realising their goals - if it has not become so already

What could be the different from the GOSL point of view if tamils have a 'true' voice as you think. Tamils had leaders like you expected (if you think not now), before 1983. Elected under SL rule without any kind of threats, what did the south offered them. South ran over them and burned tamils and their libraries etc. Do you want them to go back the same old days??? If so, your intention is clear. I NEVER think that this will make a different providing solution to the ethnic problem by south.

proximus wrote:

I would like to refer to a very pertinent question that Taraki asked elsewhere.. "What positive thing has the LTTE delivered to the SL Tamilians so far ?" No one has been able to answer this and judging from the post that raguna has made above viz. "The LTTE's business is war & the Tamilians want the LTTE to make war", it seems highly unlikely that anyone will be able to do so.

What positive thing has the LTTE delivered to the SL Tamilians?? Can you tell me what positive thing has the GOSL delivered to the SL Tamilians?? or What positive thing has the GOSL delivered to the SL altogether. made the SL rupee value 40 times verse after independent. or helping karuna to use arms in SL. The question is pointless itself. It is a political move. As everyone know a government is needed to represt the Sri Lankans (that is a must), England whites cannot rule us. But SL biased ruling, means they could not represent tamils and leads this situation. LTTE represent tamils (you may not accept that but GOSL. And you didn't accept the TULF, before 1983 too) and GOSL heading to talk/fight with them.

proximus wrote:

THE_ACA_USR wrote:

What if Champika Ranawaka become the next president of SL?

Prefer not to play What If's.... - suffice it to say that it will be bad for everyone.

It is not a one-off problem to avoide. There is no gurantee in SL for tamils as anything can happen in the future. can anyone answer to this? that means there is no gurantee for 400000 tamils in south(if someone can openly talk...). what rule under SL can prevent this? even no one has punished to the 1983 riots.

proximus wrote:

THE_ACA_USR wrote:

the terrorist can wait for 4 years and the south still want to go to war

You should have included "South can wait for 4 years and the terrorist still want to go to war..." as well because that is what is indicated by the latest round of contributions being gathered around the world., for the Final War.

Your answer looks funny to you. LTTE wants a seperate country, and agreed to talk if a meaningful solution is given. 4 years gone, does south have a solution? As I said earlier too, if GOSL is having a solution and LTTE is not accepting that then it is true that GOSL have a say in the problem. That means GOSL CAN take a desition and they can tell world/SL tamils they are going to command ltte. But now GOSL/south is fighting for the wording in  the CFA, helping karuna etc.etc. So, GOSL couldn't command now. That is what the real problem is.

proximus wrote:

THE_ACA_USR wrote:

may be people like proximus can fight against Champika Ranwaka and give tamils (or tamilians) a federal state to live in peace.

Who can opt for this choice here ? The choice that the GOSL has been given is "Separate State" or "War".. So tell me then., who can or will have the guts to accept a Federal Solution or indeed, any kind of acceptable solution on behalf of the Tamilians.

This is waht I am asking you again, does GOSL has a meaningful solution in hand and LTTE is not accepting that? An arm group cannot control people against their will for so long. Here the problem is south, that they could not win tamils mind, by giving proper solution. IT is crystal clear to the world that south is never united to offer a solution to tamils. If the responsible parties doesnot like the mediators even, howcome they will offer a solution to tamils.
AS psilva says Champika Ranawaka is an insignificant figure in the south politics, true, but Wimal Weerawansa was also like that 12 years before. Champika might become a big guy in 5 years time. And south can never write off JVP anymore (as psilva indirectly accept the point).

Champika Ranawaka has no value in the south not because of his name but his conduct in politics.  Even if VP changes his attitude to win hearts and minds of all the citizens in SL, who cannot predict that he will have a future in Democratic politics in SL.  Karura, once one of the most important military leader of the LTTE is gradually becoming a hero among Sinhalese, Muslims amd part of Tamil community. Same will applied to JVP. If they go back to the status they were in during 1980's, south will definitely reject them.  South will never approve what they did during that period.  The main reason why they are gaining popularity in the country as I believe is that their attitudes towards corruption and sacrifaction shown at this moment.  When we have a look at the cabinets of all the government (CBK, RW, MR) we see how greedy others politicians are for power and fraud. Short-term sacrifactions offers huge long-term gains.


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